Why are Democrats pro abortion but against the death penalty?

Libertas

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Is it not the same thing?
No, it is not the same thing.

If we believe all people are created equal, then rights start at the time of creation. Those rights can only be taken away by due process of law.

With the death penailty, the person has gone through due process of law, had a trial, right to jury, and right to legal counsel - which is more than an unborn baby has access to.
 

Linda T.M.

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No, it is not the same thing.

If we believe all people are created equal, then rights start at the time of creation. Those rights can only be taken away by due process of law.

With the death penailty, the person has gone through due process of law, had a trial, right to jury, and right to legal counsel - which is more than an unborn baby has access to.
I dont consider the law of man the authority on life itself, that is gods work. Both of these are wrong , it is playing god. Abortions are really only murder if they are past a curtain developmental point though.
 

Libertas

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Abortions are really only murder if they are past a curtain developmental point though.
Then you do not believe all people are created equal.

As Thomas Jefferson said, "We are endowed by our creator certain unalienable rights." One of those rights is the right to life, and that right is granted at the time of creation.
 

IamZeke

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Or you can be consistent and be just be pro life on both issues or pro death. Yeah, I'm actually the latter.

As far as abortion goes, when the heartbeat starts and the blood flows there is actual life. Roughly 6 to 8 weeks. That's the abortion cutoff I'm fine with.

Before that it's just a collection of cells that is a slippery slope that in its extreme form would make male masturbation and female periods a sin because a potential life is wasted.

Instead of having the debate where life starts, I think it's better to define where life is already existing. A natal heartbeat leaves no doubt that a new life exists.
 
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Libertas

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The honest truth is Democrats prey upon the weakest demographics. Whether it was weak minded southerners, or women wanting to terminate the pregnancy, Democrats will encourage one demographic to diminish the value of another.

According to democrats over the centuries:

  • Slaves were not real people
  • A fetus is not a baby
  • Eugenics should be encouraged

Why side against the death penalty? Because convicts can get a lawyer and fight in courts, while a fetus can not.

Democrats are the most racist group to ever walk the face of the earth:

  • In the 1800s - blacks are property
  • In the 1900s - blacks do not deserve equal rights
  • Modern times - kill black babies before they are even born
 

IamZeke

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Of course they do. They need victimhood as a source of supporters, in order to give dole and create dependence. But you have to create victims first in order to play savior to them.


One should google 1950's Harlem photographs. Disregard the fact that racism was still rampant at the time and just look at the street life scenes. The people were poor and oppressed, but they stood proud, the streets were clean, the children neat and looked healthy, shops looked busy and were self funded, and the adults dressed properly for business. All they needed right then was the oppression to go away, nothing more. But instead we gave them public housing and welfare. They were completely screwed by that.

We have the mass abortion habit now because of artificial support. Go to Sudan where once a small family eked out a basic living on a handful of acres and breeding was done to replace the numbers needed to maintain the land. War comes and the small family runs to the refugee camp to survive and meets an endless supply of charity food. Suddenly the family grows to twice its old size because they have no land limitations on their food supply. They realize they are now unable to go back home if the war ends unless they get help.

Endless cheap food creates problems. It was the potato yam that actually created slavery in the Americas. The Portuguese enslaved the natives of Brazil and slowly wore down their numbers. But they had discovered the yam there and at some point decided to trade it on the African coast with the Arabs. The Arabs were there to get the occasional exceptional warrior slave for the Mamelukes of the Ottoman Empire. Inland of these coastal trading posts the blacks got some yam samples and suddenly there were vast new amounts of calories available. Tribes grew in numbers and needed land fast for adult land holdings. So they attacked the other tribes to get their land. Suddenly there were large numbers of tribal war prisoners. The Arab coastal outposts heard this and had heard the Poruguese complain about dwindling natives in Brazil to work the sugar fields. The Arabs saw a perfect middleman solution and offered to buy the tribal war prisoners from victorious black tribes. The Portuguese showed up and were thrilled at the opportunity for new warm bodies. The rest is history. It's also why when I hear talk about slavery reparations I chuckle and say the true burden fals on a potato, and we should pay reparations in the right currency. Give them all the yams they want.

We have created the conditions that make abortions a relative necessity. Poor families are breeding beyond their ability to care for themselves. Worse we reward them to breed if they want to stay on the dole, or leave them only with abortion if you hope to escape the dole. We've screwed this pooch royally, and you can thank the Democrats for creating the mess.
 
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